later in a tweet, hillary clinton said, nelson mandela was a champion for justice and museum dignity with unmatched grace. i'll remember him as madiba. good to talk to you, salinda, good morning. you called him one of the most courageous people i have ever met. tell us about your meeting with him, with working with him, and what you want people to know. >> well, i was just part of a very big meeting, and i met with him once in a strategy session and once heard him deliver a speech in south africa. but having him work with his team and the pollster for the anc during that first election, there were three things that really struck me. one was just his enormous clarity and vision for the country and bringing the country together. the second was his great pragmatism. there were a set of election rules that came down that were really disadvantageous to mandela and to the anc. we were all very upset by those rules, and he was just very calm and said no, we'll make it work. find a way to make it work. he refused to fight over the rules and just said we'll make it work. >> give us some unsig